Curse

KamikazeChicken · Aug 31, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

Eventually I want them to stop adding new and just build on the old. What's sad about that is, because of the way the campaigns are set up, they can't add to anything but the main 6 profs. :\

Cacheelma · Aug 31, 2006, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by Carth`

No new classes please.

One day, some time in the future, all the people asking for new classes now will be complaining as the problems with adding new classes start to manifest themselves.

Problems with adding new classes every 6 months:
1. More work for the developers means less time/money/effort potentially spent on other content, such as PvE. I'd rather play through a fantastic PvE game with my current character, than a crap one with a new character.

I'd rather leave the DEVELOPERS to worry about that. They'll do what they can, so if they think they can't afford to make new classes, they won't make one.

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Originally Posted by Carth`

2. Harder and harder to find a certain class for a group, as the population becomes more divided into different classes, vis-à-vis monks. All they can do to combat this, is provide classes like the ritualist that can help a bit with keeping people alive. You'll all be complaining when you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting a monk in your party of 8 because there are 12 different classes trying to complete the missions.

What would prevent you from choosing a monk for your group, even with 360 professions to choose from? PuG group making is not random matching, you know?

Besides, you don't need any one specific class for any mission. What you need is some people to do some specific roles in the mission. You don't scream "We need monk" but instead "We need healer" or "We need Healing Monk". See? And you don't need assassin/ritualist/mesmer/warrior/ranger/whatever in any mission, either.

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3. Frustrating for people who want to try the new classes in PvE. It means you can spend less and less time on each character. I'd much prefer to work on making one character the best I can, than making 8 characters average. I want to roleplay a character. With all these expansions, it's more like a new game every time, with a new character in a new location. Either make an expansion, or make a new game. Don't try to do both or you end up alienating someone. This is related to the problem with the populations being separated, so districts in earlier chapters will become empty.

...Nobody forces you to play new professions if you don't want to. Bah, there're like 12 or more classes to choose from in Anarchy Online and there're also races to consider as well. Yet nobody is frustated by that. Other MMORPGs also have many many more classes/races combinations than GW (even with nightfall).

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Originally Posted by Carth`

4. It gets harder and harder to balance the skills with each other as the possibilities expand exponentially. You'll all be complaining to ANerf when your favourite Prophecies skill gets nerfed in order to stop it being too powerful when used with a skill from a new class.

Again, leave that for the devs to worry about. They'll do what they can.

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Originally Posted by Carth`

5. The new classes are a gimmick designed to get you all excited and think it will be worth buying a new chapter just to gain access to the new class. If it had a monthly fee, they could just release new areas, but in order to justify paying for a new game, they have to add something else. It's the result of a flawed business model.

I disagree. I don't buy new GW chapters because of the new professions. I do because the product as a whole. Flawed business model? Well, I won't go that far if I were you.

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Originally Posted by Carth`

But enjoy your new classes anyway.

Lol sure I will.

RotteN · Aug 31, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53

i'm absolutely no fan of 2 new professions every 6 months, i mean, right now, rits and assa have very little use in the pvp scene (other than spirit spammers and base gankers). I'd rather have new skills for those classes, which open up new playing paths, than entirely new classes...

llsektorll · Aug 31, 2006, 07:57 AM // 07:57

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Originally Posted by Carth`

No new classes please.

One day, some time in the future, all the people asking for new classes now will be complaining as the problems with adding new classes start to manifest themselves.

Problems with adding new classes every 6 months:
1. More work for the developers means less time/money/effort potentially spent on other content, such as PvE. I'd rather play through a fantastic PvE game with my current character, than a crap one with a new character.
2. Harder and harder to find a certain class for a group, as the population becomes more divided into different classes, vis-à-vis monks. All they can do to combat this, is provide classes like the ritualist that can help a bit with keeping people alive. You'll all be complaining when you have a 1 in 12 chance of getting a monk in your party of 8 because there are 12 different classes trying to complete the missions.
3. Frustrating for people who want to try the new classes in PvE. It means you can spend less and less time on each character. I'd much prefer to work on making one character the best I can, than making 8 characters average. I want to roleplay a character. With all these expansions, it's more like a new game every time, with a new character in a new location. Either make an expansion, or make a new game. Don't try to do both or you end up alienating someone. This is related to the problem with the populations being separated, so districts in earlier chapters will become empty.
4. It gets harder and harder to balance the skills with each other as the possibilities expand exponentially. You'll all be complaining to ANerf when your favourite Prophecies skill gets nerfed in order to stop it being too powerful when used with a skill from a new class.
5. The new classes are a gimmick designed to get you all excited and think it will be worth buying a new chapter just to gain access to the new class. If it had a monthly fee, they could just release new areas, but in order to justify paying for a new game, they have to add something else. It's the result of a flawed business model.

But enjoy your new classes anyway.

you have to understand this game is not all about pve.... pvp is a major portion of this game... and without new professions to test tweak into our builds the game gets boring in teh pvp sector very fast... so i say keep the new profession and skills coming

Zakarr · Aug 31, 2006, 08:11 AM // 08:11

I really like from new professions but I don't want them to next chapter because they can't be creative with the amount of time they have for each chapter. The whole system will be either a mess or too repeative if they keep pushing new ones.

Yanman.be · Aug 31, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

/signed for pirates!

Exoudeous · Aug 31, 2006, 08:43 AM // 08:43

I like the fact we keep getting more classes, will allow for alot more builds, it will be intresting.

The sole reason I stoped playing other online rpgs, is because the community requires you to be cookie cutter or you want get groups

Tufty · Aug 31, 2006, 08:48 AM // 08:48

it's getting hard to imagine any new classes that arn't pretty much the same as old ones with tweaks so Im excited to see what will happen next. It'd be nice if only 1 new class each upgrade became available but add further customisation to existing chars. I'd like my armour to look a little more beaten up personally but I wouldnt want that to affect my al. So far Im happy with the way things are going though and I like the new classes although I dont play them (I struggle playing all my other chars as it is) and am excited to see what clever builds you guys will come up mixing th old and new proffs :P

Carth` · Aug 31, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

you have to understand this game is not all about pve.... pvp is a major portion of this game... and without new professions to test tweak into our builds the game gets boring in teh pvp sector very fast... so i say keep the new profession and skills coming

Yes exactly. By trying to separate PvP into something perfectly balanced, they always hurt PvE. They are determined to separate PvP and PvE, but also keep them together. Argh.. it would be better if changes to one didn't affect the other, instead of making skills completely useless in PvE because some PvP players found a way to abuse them in PvP.

But you're right, if all I played was PvP, I'd want new professions too, to keep me interested, otherwise it wouldn't be worth upgrading.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

I'd rather leave the DEVELOPERS to worry about that. They'll do what they can, so if they think they can't afford to make new classes, they won't make one.

No, they'll do what they can to sell the game. If they think enough people won't buy it without a new class or a new faction/alliance system, or a new hero that follows you, then they'll waste some time implementing it.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

What would prevent you from choosing a monk for your group, even with 360 professions to choose from? PuG group making is not random matching, you know?

No, but it looks like you missed the point. I don't know how to describe it simpler. Let's say you have a six-sided die, and a 3 on this die is a monk. This is Prophecies. Now let's say you have an eight-sided die, are you just as likely to get the 3 when you roll it as you were with the six-sided die? This is Factions. It's not a perfect analogy, for one thing I doubt the professions are divided equally like this. But it's true. I don't understand how you can't see that having 360 professions would make it very unlikely to find a monk.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Besides, you don't need any one specific class for any mission. What you need is some people to do some specific roles in the mission. You don't scream "We need monk" but instead "We need healer" or "We need Healing Monk". See? And you don't need assassin/ritualist/mesmer/warrior/ranger/whatever in any mission, either.

I don't see what your point is here. You often do need a monk in a mission. Sometimes you might need a healer monk, but it's still a monk. So what if you need a role rather than a class? Are you saying the new classes will replace the monk's roles? In that case why not just have a monk, and not add a new class. If that's what you meant, I wasn't sure...

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

Again, leave that for the devs to worry about. They'll do what they can.

Saying "let the devs worry about it" isn't a solution to a problem. It'll be us it affects when there are skill imbalances or nerfs.

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

I disagree. I don't buy new GW chapters because of the new professions.

Then why do you care if the next chapters don't have new professions?

Tufty · Aug 31, 2006, 09:06 AM // 09:06

I totaly get what your saying about monk thing. Monks are hard enough to come by as it is. But theres always the henchies and people can reskill themselves to compensate for any short fallings with the groups. I always say and it applies with henchies or real people 'as long as noone does anything stupid this'll be easy' if anything it creates new and interesting challenges to overcome. I monked some missions in Cantha with my Ele which was fun and a challenge to overcome. To be honest it wasnt the most effective build but it solved a problem so I could continue to the end of the game

arcanemacabre · Aug 31, 2006, 11:37 AM // 11:37

Yes, saying that someone who heals is just a replacement for a monk is the same thing as saying someone who does damage is just a replacement for a warrior. By that rationale, we only need 2, maybe 3 classes, a damage-dealer, a healer, and maybe a ranged damage-dealer, aka ranger.

New classes offer up different unique effects and combinations to keep things from getting stale. New skills alone cannot fill this role because you still have the same tired attributes, along with the same old primaries and armor/weapon-styles. New classes simply allow for a wider range of uniqueness, which is always good, IMO.

Addone_Abaddon · Aug 31, 2006, 11:43 AM // 11:43

As long as with every 2 new proffesions, there will be 2 new character slots, I'll be happy.

Rusty Deth · Aug 31, 2006, 11:59 AM // 11:59

They can add all they want, Wammo's will still dominate the population. lol

But in reality not everyone plays/tries every class. I still haven't devoted myself to make a solid mesmer or elementalist.

My monk has been in retirement, my warrior get little play time.

I say they can add as many classes as they want, it just gives more options for more people.

But I'll admit I love this game just for building. And the more they add the more happy I am. To me the real interest in GW is making builds, trying them, and making more.

Sure to some the PvE content is limited, but playing PvE with different classes and builds makes it feel like different game.

At least it does for me. Now bring on Beast Riders!!

Addone_Abaddon · Aug 31, 2006, 12:11 PM // 12:11

I don't know how people can complain either, you don't need to use the proffesions, it's an option, I thank anet for the un-repetitiveness of guild wars.

ZenRgy · Aug 31, 2006, 12:29 PM // 12:29

I don't want extra professions, yes it adds to the fun - I love PvE, it's great. And I want nightfall because I am bored of the game right now - PvP is the only thing keeping me interested.

aNet will probably release more classes to cater to the PvE players *sigh*

Since they are the majority while all the PvP players will eventually get screwed over by the unlimited options and builds making any organised PvP based on luck rather than skill.

The game will keep changing and evolving and it will get to a stage that there will be too many options/builds/skils that skill will not play a part in the PvP side of this game.

I'm all for expansions, but I'm not for expansions that keep changing, morphing and "ruining" the game.

But in reality aNet is a business so they need to realease new expansions in order to make any profit, unless they were to add a month subscription.

So in my opinion, releasing new expansions and new add-ons to make profit is the lesser of two evils.

Ninna · Aug 31, 2006, 12:49 PM // 12:49

more classes please

I like the ANET Magic the Gathering model

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/guild-wars-.../680914p1.html

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Strain uses the card game Magic: The Gathering as a metaphor for the way ArenaNet sees the development of the Guild Wars franchise. "Magic: The Gathering keeps re-inventing itself with each new edition and players are never forced to buy older cards to stay competitive. They can always enjoy a one edition game.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Aug 31, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

I prefer more professions.
More variety spices up the game.
Preferably new professions that introduces new game mechanics into the game.

Cacheelma · Aug 31, 2006, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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Originally Posted by Carth`

No, they'll do what they can to sell the game. If they think enough people won't buy it without a new class or a new faction/alliance system, or a new hero that follows you, then they'll waste some time implementing it.

Assumption.

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Originally Posted by Carth`

No, but it looks like you missed the point. I don't know how to describe it simpler. Let's say you have a six-sided die, and a 3 on this die is a monk. This is Prophecies. Now let's say you have an eight-sided die, are you just as likely to get the 3 when you roll it as you were with the six-sided die? This is Factions. It's not a perfect analogy, for one thing I doubt the professions are divided equally like this. But it's true. I don't understand how you can't see that having 360 professions would make it very unlikely to find a monk.

How unlikely? The monks on my guild/friendlist are still there. I don't think every monk in the game now would be replaced by new professions. They're still there, and you can still choose them. Since when choosing a monk for your team is based on chance? If you can't find them right away, just wait, or use hench, or find some non-monk healers instead (secondary monks or Rt, E/Mo or something).

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Originally Posted by Carth`

I don't see what your point is here. You often do need a monk in a mission. Sometimes you might need a healer monk, but it's still a monk. So what if you need a role rather than a class? Are you saying the new classes will replace the monk's roles? In that case why not just have a monk, and not add a new class. If that's what you meant, I wasn't sure...

Have you ever heard of SMITE MONK? Just saying you need a monk in every team is wrong to a large extent. What you might need is healing/protecting monks, but not always. You can survive with Rt healer, mesmer healer, necro healer, elementalist healer, as well. But you might not survive with 3 monks who smite, really.

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Originally Posted by Carth`

Saying "let the devs worry about it" isn't a solution to a problem. It'll be us it affects when there are skill imbalances or nerfs.

And how not making new classes would help with balance? If the devs don't balance the game, it won't be balanced. If they make new classes and balance them, then the game will be balanced. We can't really do anything about it. If you think complaining/assuming would fix anything, please explain how.

prism2525 · Aug 31, 2006, 02:00 PM // 14:00

I'd like to keep adding more professions. but wouldn't it be better if they release them one at a time? This would give the devs more time to be creative, give more skills to the new prof and older (yes, sins and rits too), add new mechanics to the game, fix bugs and give us the much-wanted, much-needed auction house

Vampiric Gaze while blinded ftw! ^^

Electric Sky · Aug 31, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

i have no objections to anything thats new before giving it a try